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Last Saturday I was at the Musical Box show (wonderful as usual) and -
SURPRISE - some new dates (2) in Rome were announced for this fall.
The band will perform Black Selling England show and Foxtrot show.
These are good news!

The anticipation for the event led me to investigate about any
differences for Genesis Selling England "Black Show" compared to the standard "White Show":

*Stage: the famous "hour glass" shaped props were replaced by black
curtains. All instruments and accessories were painted black. This
enhanced Peter Gabriel's sudden appearance and disappearance on stage.

*Lights: modified since the black stage did not provide the same
reflection properties of the white one.

*Slides: two circular projection screens introduced. Slides modified.

*Masks: during Supper's Ready (iii. Ikhnaton and Itsacon - see
reference below), Pharoah's Hat (aka pharaon's headpiece) was
introduced. The mask can be seen on this rare picture: ... cts_12.jpg

*Setlists: The Knife dropped (Genesis received a lot of criticism for
refusing to perform encores). The rest of the songs were performed in
the same order as in the "White Show".

*Black Shows: the most notable and ROIO-recorded Genesis shows from
the 1974 March-May American tour have been Miami , Detroit , Montreal
and NY Academy of Music .
For a complete tourdates list, see reference below.


From wiv entertainment old website:

The Musical Box "Black Show" 2004

Genesis started their "Selling England by the Pound" tour in
September 1973 in Europe , going to USA/Canada at the end of the year
and returning to Europe for some more shows from January to mid
February 1974. Today these performances are known as the "white
shows" and all of the recent TMB "Selling England" concerts (as well
as the 2004 tour) are reconstructions of this exact version.

However, from March to May 1974 Genesis returned once again to
USA/Canada and this time they radically changed the stage sets: The
famous "hour glass" shaped props were replaced by black curtains,
leaving space for two circular projection screens, and all
instruments and accessories were painted black. There were also some
modifications to the masks and slides. The performance became
technically a bit less complex, but the extreme lights allowed for
highly dramatic appearances and disappearances of Peter Gabriel, and
the show created a very different mood and feeling to the songs.

Genesis never performed the "black show" in Europe , and there are
only few pictures in existence - the picture below (which can be
found in the printed TMB tour programme as well) is one of the rare
photos available.

The Musical Box occasionally performed the "black show" between 1995
and 1996, until they recently performed two new shows (for the first
time in 8 years) in April 2004 in Montreal to an excited audience.

For the European Tour 2004 they will only perform one single "black"
show of "Selling England by the Pound", including the black sets,
slides and costumes - on June 5th, Stadthalle Gersthofen ( Augsburg )
in the south of Germany

Since the "Black Show" has never been performed by Genesis in 1974
outside of USA and Canada , this will be the first, the only, and the
last time ever to see this near mythical and legendary version in
Europe ." ... black.html

From TMB old website (BTW, when will the new one be online?):
French version: ... facts.html


A sample clip (Supper's Ready) from the "Black Show" can be found


Supper's Ready interpretation (from a cached thread at the official
Genesis forum)

iii) Ikhnaton and Itsacon and Their Band of Merry Men

Who the lovers see clad in grays and purples, awaiting to be summoned
out of the ground. At the G.E.S.M.'s command they pour forth, from
the bowels of the earth, to attack all those without an up-to-
date "Eternal Life Licence" which were obtainable at the head office
of the G.E.S.M.'s religion. Ikhnaton is also called "Akhenaten"
(meaning 'He who is beneficial to the Aten'), first known as
Amenhotep IV (sometimes read as Amenophis IV and meaning Amun is
Satisfied) before his sixth year, was a Pharaoh of the Eighteenth
dynasty of Egypt , especially notable for single-handedly
restructuring the Egyptian religion to monotheistically worship the
Aten. He was born to Amenhotep III and his Chief Queen Tiye and was
his father's younger son. Akhenaten was not originally designated as
the successor to the throne until the untimely death of his older
brother, Thutmose. Amenhotep IV succeeded his father after Amenhotep
III's death at the end of his 38-year reign, possibly after a
coregency lasting between either 1 to 2 or 12 years. Suggested dates
for Akhenaten's reign (subject to the debates surrounding Egyptian
chronology) are from 1353 BC-1336 BC or 1351 BC–1334 BC. Akhenaten's chief wife was Nefertiti.


A full list of the Black Show 1974 tourdates (from Genesis Movement
live recordings database:

01-Mar-1974 Capitol Theatre, Passaic NJ USA
02-Mar-1974 Tower Theatre, Upper Darby PA USA
03-Mar-1974 Tower Theatre, Upper Darby PA USA
04-Mar-1974 East Wind Ballroom, Baltimore MD USA
05-Mar-1974 T P Warner Theatre , Washington DC USA
07-Mar-1974 Sports Arena, Fort Wayne IN USA
08-Mar-1974 Fox Theatre, Atlanta GA USA
09-Mar-1974 Gusman Philharmonic Hall, Miami FL USA
12-Mar-1974 Muthers, Nashville TN USA
13-Mar-1974 North Hall, Memphis TN USA
17-Mar-1974 Armadillo World Headquarters, Austin TX USA
20-Mar-1974 Civic Plaza Assembly Hall, Phoenix AZ USA
21-Mar-1974 Civic Reunion Centre, Santa Monica CA USA
22-Mar-1974 Civic Reunion Centre, Santa Monica CA USA
24-Mar-1974 Winterland Arena, San Francisco CA USA
26-Mar-1974 Arena, Seattle WA USA
27-Mar-1974 Garden Auditorium, Vancouver Canada
02-Apr-1974 Philharmonic Hall , New York NY USA
03-Apr-1974 Orpheum Theatre, Davenport IO USA
05-Apr-1974 Embassy Theatre, Fort Wayne IN USA
06-Apr-1974 Student Union Auditorium, Toledo OH USA
07-Apr-1974 The Agora, Columbus OH USA
08-Apr-1974 Centre Culturel Grande Salle , Sherbrooke Canada
09-Apr-1974 Guthrie Theatre, Minneapolis MN (cancelled) USA
10-Apr-1974 Spectrum, Philadelphia PA USA
11-Apr-1974 Auditorium Theatre, Chicago IL USA
12-Apr-1974 Convention Centre, Indianapolis IN USA
13-Apr-1974 Kiel Theatre, St Louis MO USA
14-Apr-1974 Memorial Hall , Kansas City MO USA
15-Apr-1974 Paladium, New York City , NY USA
16-Apr-1974 Ford Auditorium, Detroit MI USA
17-Apr-1974 McGraw Hall, Evanston IL USA
17-Apr-1974 McGraw Hall, Evanston IL USA
18-Apr-1974 Centre de Congres , Quebec Canada
19-Apr-1974 Civic Centre, Ottawa Canada
20-Apr-1974 University Sports Arena, Montreal Canada
21-Apr-1974 University Sports Arena, Montreal Canada
22-Apr-1974 Auditorium Theatre, Rochester NY USA
24-Apr-1974 Music Hall, Boston MA USA
25-Apr-1974 A G Hall, Allentown PA USA
27-Apr-1974 Century Theatre, Buffalo NY USA
28-Apr-1974 Allen Theatre , Cleveland OH USA
29-Apr-1974 Allen Theatre , Cleveland OH USA
02-May-1974 (Early) Massey Hall, Toronto Canada
02-May-1974 (Late) Massey Hall, Toronto Canada
03-May-1974 Syria Mosque, Pittsburgh PA USA
04-May-1974 Academy of Music , New York NY USA
06-May-1974 Academy of Music , New York NY USA ... ername=all

Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:23 pm

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:42 am
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During the Columbus Concert on the 22nd of September (2007), Phil Collins said..

"We first came to Columbus and played at a place called The Agora. After we left, they shut the place down"..

I can't remember word for word for what he said, but I remember him mentioning The Agora so clearly...which is odd to me, because the only Agora I know is up in Cleveland!

Just thought I'd mention that to you guys...very interesting to hear about these "Black Shows"..I thought I was a big Genesis fan, I've never realized there were two different stage designs like that..

Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:38 am
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